| Author |
Message |
|
JRink
|
 Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:38 pm |
|
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:00 pm
Posts: 871
Location: Eagle, WI
|
|
What can I say. The new track-car grenaded today at Gingerman Raceway in Michigan. We're pulling the engine tomorrow for a diagnosis but it looks like it's likely a blown piston or a spun bearing. Hard to tell off hand. Similiar to what happened to Rich Merritt at Road America this last April.
The only positive thing about the whole experience is the car was absolutely fantastic on the road course. Handled like a champ and performed exceptionally well for a completely stock (performance wise) car. Really tore that shit up.
I'm exhausted and pretty damn bummed out. It's been a long weekend. Gotta get some rest before I get up tomorrow morning and give Jeff a hand with the removal.
J
_________________  Best in Show - NG07 2010 - 6G74/3.5L E16Gs - 688awhp/679awtq (Race+Meth) 2011 - 6G74/3.5L 68HTAs - 740awhp/762awtq (Race+Meth) 2013 - 6G74/3.5L MTC Stage4 - 908awhp/832awtq (Race+Meth)
|
|
| Top |
|
 |
|
My94r/t
|
Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:45 pm |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:04 am
Posts: 1237
Location: Milwaukee, WI
|
|
Sorry to hear aobut the motor. I saw 3 spun bearings at the NG road course last year. There is never a good time for that to happen, but this was a terrible time.
Glad the suspension worked out, though.
If you need anything. Help with the car or whatever, just give me a call. I will be around Jeff's area tomorrow.
_________________ ~Joe - aka spider gear destroyer
'94 Stealth R/T
-Lightly Modded  ;)
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Master_d
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:19 am |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 5:07 am
Posts: 94
Location: Milwaukee
|
|
I heard from Jeff that you blew your car up today ... that really sucks man. How many miles were on that piece anyway? and on stock boost? fawk.... I'll be over at Jeff's around 1 or so I can give ya a hand if need be too :0
_________________
rob r.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Zoodled
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:14 am |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:45 am
Posts: 333
Location: West Allis, WI
|
|
That sucks, but at least it wasn't the show car. Isn't this why you bought this one?
If you want some help I'd be willing to lend a hand.
So is this going to be a 4-bolt conversion? Used long block? New short block?
Are you going to do an oil analysis?
_________________
1992 3000GT VR-4
-----------------------
3SI Member 0660, 1753, 2038
W3SI Member 15
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
G-ELL
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:18 am |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am
Posts: 3153
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
|
Sucks it only lasted 1 race. What kind of oil were you running, and how much was in there? Did that car always have low oil pressure issues? Let me know if you need a hand rippen everything apart. I'm all over it.  _________________ 06 Blue EVO 9
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
JRink
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:24 pm |
|
Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:00 pm
Posts: 871
Location: Eagle, WI
|
|
As copied from 3S racers....
Well. Here's the diagnosis.
Jeff and I started pulling the motor at 8:30am. By the noon hour, the
engine was out of the car. After some cleanup (fluids, tools, etc.) we
started tearing down the engine and by 1:30pm we found a fubar'd rod on
cylinder #4. We could easily move it around from underneath.
Inside the valve covers it almost seemed like oil starvation and a *severe*
lack of routine oil changes over the last several years. What we saw does
not happen from missing a single oil change. The cams did not look good
either and may need rework. Quite a few metal shavings in the oil pan too.
I asked Jeff if there was anything I could have done to prevent this and he
said no. If it hadn't happened at Gingerman, it sure as hell woulda
happened somewhere else fairly quickly.
So. As of now, the current thought is:
New shortblock
60k maintenance (while we're there)
99 style lifters
Gasket set
Headwork
Possibly cams
All told... 4.5k in parts minimally. Probably closer to 5k.
Looks like this is going to be sitting in my garage for at least 9 months
(likely even longer) before it gets touched again. I can't afford to dump
$4500 into it unless I work some magic and I really don't feel like pulling
any rabbits out from a hat right now.
Looks like I'm down for the count and will be relegated to sideline duty at
future open track events. This sucks. Just when things were started to be
fun.... Knocked out cold.
Jesse Rink
Eagle, WI
_________________ Best in Show - NG07 2010 - 6G74/3.5L E16Gs - 688awhp/679awtq (Race+Meth) 2011 - 6G74/3.5L 68HTAs - 740awhp/762awtq (Race+Meth) 2013 - 6G74/3.5L MTC Stage4 - 908awhp/832awtq (Race+Meth)
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
G-ELL
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:25 pm |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am
Posts: 3153
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
|
JRink wrote: 99 style lifters What for? It took 13 years for the stock ones to get gummed up enough to tap. Clean em out (soak em in a bleach solution), change your oil often, you'll be fine. Spend the $$ on a new oil & water pump.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
R/T Bomber
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:58 pm |
|
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:59 am
Posts: 206
Location: Madison
|
Tough break!  Let me know if you need a hand. Racing is an expensive hobby.  _________________ 
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
ver fer
|
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:03 pm |
|
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:04 pm
Posts: 767
Location: Oshkosh
|
Wow that sucks. So much for the stack of maintance paper he had.  Do you still plan on going to the NG ?
_________________
'94 vr4- Now with extra slowness
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
curt_gendron
|
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:10 am |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 8:45 am
Posts: 919
Location: Minnesota
|
Hey Jesse, Sorry to hear that.  Your new Stealth was so mint too. How does that saying go?? "You've got to pay to play!" But I think this price is a little high. Keep us updated on your progress getting her back on the road. later, Curt _________________  Minnesota 3/S message board: http://forums.mn3s.org/Minnesota 3/S Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Minnesota.3S/
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
440 4x4
|
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:24 pm |
|
Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:56 am
Posts: 637
Location: Milwaukee
|
|
..
Last edited by 440 4x4 on Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
ver fer
|
Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:47 pm |
|
Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:04 pm
Posts: 767
Location: Oshkosh
|
|
If the block looks that bad I wonder what condition the turbos are in?
_________________
'94 vr4- Now with extra slowness
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
Zoodled
|
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 10:31 am |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:45 am
Posts: 333
Location: West Allis, WI
|
440 4x4 wrote: Hey guys,
Jesse is being very kind in his description. The entire inside of that engine looks like charcoal. The last time I saw an engine like that the gentleman had gone over 40,000 miles without an oil change. Guess the normal maintenance didn't include oil changes. It's very baaaad.
He's getting new lifters, etc because charcoal doesn't lead to performance... Hopefully we can come up with a decent solution to get him back on the road.
-Jeff Yuk! What about a reman from Jasper? Skip the process of trying to get anything off the old block. It seems like the only thing left to save is the head blanks if they come clean in a hot tank and don't need to be decked too much.
_________________
1992 3000GT VR-4
-----------------------
3SI Member 0660, 1753, 2038
W3SI Member 15
|
|
| Top |
|
|
|
G-ELL
|
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 12:57 pm |
|
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am
Posts: 3153
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
|
440 4x4 wrote: charcoal doesn't lead to performance NFS
|
|
| Top |
|
|
