Anyone ever look into the Greddy E-Manage for our cars? This really seems like a kickass unit. Sort of like a mini-AEM EMS unit... Not quite the functionality, but definitely more than your standard A/F controller.

E-Manage has the ability to trick the ecu into seeing less/more air just as a standarad AFCII or AFR does by TPS and RPM. But... it also has some other nice features.

The fact that you can control ignition timing with the unit for ALMOST the same amount of cost as an AFCII is incredible. The real kick is, ignition timing is adjustable via TPS and Boost. Imagine you want to advance your ign timing under vacuum and low boost for better low end power, and then as your boost finally kicks in, you want to retard timing to accomodate for higher boost levels on the top end. That's pretty damn cool.

Another cool thing is, for anyone running propane or other means of cooling your intake charge, most people trigger them via a hobbs switch. With E-manage you don't need to spend the cash for a hobbs switch as you can trigger propane or equivilent from the e-manage when you reach certain boost levels via a sub-injector setting (it has two of these).

I kinda wish I had bought this instead of my AFCII because I could still be running my 550cc injectors with an e-manage installed. But with my setup, running 550's caused me too much timing advance and I saw crazy knock levels about 10psi. E-manage would have allowed me to make adjustments to this and keep my 550s by retarding my timing enough to quell knock.

E-Manage also has basic datalogging capabilities too which could come in handy... it works with a laptop OR a support tool (whichever you prefer).

For $462 or so for all the hardware and harnesses, its a DAMN good alternative to a AFCII or AFR. You can find this setup around this price from places other than 3S tuners which are more expensive.

Jesse

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2011 - 6G74/3.5L 68HTAs - 740awhp/762awtq (Race+Meth)
2013 - 6G74/3.5L MTC Stage4 - 908awhp/832awtq (Race+Meth)

That is what I plan on using, along with the MAF-T and LS MAF.
I'am going to use the sub-injector harness for propane also.
So pretty much eveything you said I'm am planning on doing with the addition of the MAFT.

Someday.

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Will the harnesses be the same if it isn't a 3/S tunner. I didn't realize it so low cost. I've seen the unit on 3SI cars but never looked too closely. Isn't it just another piggy back.

I think you could have run your 550s if you had changed your base timing to spec. Then you could have added some 13gs or 15gs.

Are you still going that route since you sold the 550s? Or are you going for the reliable show car thing.

I'm starting to get the upgrade bug myself.

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I sold my 550s so for now, the car is going to focus on show with some go (mid-high 12s). Next year I'll re-evaluate my funds and see if I can throw on some 15g's and 660cc injectors or something with an e-manage.

You're right about the basic ign timing, I think if I had brought that down to spec or slightly lower, it would have taken car of the problem... Was just too tired dealing with it so I figured I'll go back to 360s till I needed something bigger. I actually have (2) 390cc injectors here, I could always pick up 4 more and run those so my IDCs aren't quite hitting 100% all the time, maybe bring them down around 90%... Doubt I'll do that though.

Mod bug eh? What's on your list? Are you considering an e-manage? For someone like me who would probably find the AEM too difficult for my knowledge, the e-manage may be a good fit.

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2010 - 6G74/3.5L E16Gs - 688awhp/679awtq (Race+Meth)
2011 - 6G74/3.5L 68HTAs - 740awhp/762awtq (Race+Meth)
2013 - 6G74/3.5L MTC Stage4 - 908awhp/832awtq (Race+Meth)

Nothing too big since my new house, new wife and new baby are consuming much of my time and money.

I've had my car for so many years but it's still stock. Every once in a while I wish it was a little faster. I guess I'm just too used to it, because when people ride with me they grab the door pull and shout slow down.

Any time you lose to a modded crap car the mod bug comes alive. When ever I see a modded Cavalier all I can think is what my buddy Nick used to say, "You can polish a turd, but all you get is a shiny turd."

I was considering the 3000GT/DSM upgrade route.

DSM BOV or Greddy Type S
(2) DSM Intercoolers Modified
DSM 450cc maybe larger
(2) DSM 13g converted or New MHI 13g
MAFT Kit - Z06
ATR Downpipe
Blitz DSBC Spec R
Denso 310lph pump.

I don't know if I'll get to this stuff this year though. The wife thinks I should get a Nissan Murano.

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The e-manage always seemed to be a fancy AFC/AFR to me. Yes it does nifty things like datalogging, but does that feature even work on our cars? I'm guessing it definately won't with the 94/95's. How does this thing control ignition timing anyway?

Not only that, but all you are doing is modifing the signal from the stock MAS. Which has it's limitations in itself. If you're only shooting for 350 whp + low 12 1/4 times, the AFR got me there and costs over $100 less. Will substituting this unit with my AFR gain me any more performance in my car? A MAFT alone will for sure, and it costs a little less.

Adding a MAFT in later along with an LS6 MAF, total cost-wise, you're not too far off from what an ARC II costs. To be honest, I'd rather go with 1 Air/Feul controler than two.

Quite honestly, I have no experience with the e-manage so my opinion doesn't count for too much. I've considered replacing my stolen AFR with this unit, but decided against it for the reasons stated above. Not only that, but I'd rather stick to what's known will work than venturing to something new.

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The e-manage modifies mas if you dont use the injector harness. With the harness you wire the e-manage between the ecu and the injectors and actually change the injector pulse width, the same for the ignition harness.

I'm just ging to use the maft as just a translator all tunning will be done w/ the e-manage
As far as I know the only datalogging it does is for the inputs for control (air flow,boost,tps,injector pulse)

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I have the e-manage I love it and yes it does log but only the stuff it monitors.

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so does the emanage pretty much allow you to run any size injectors you want since you can retard the timing?

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Like what? Timing, o2, karmen...

timing and airflow and injectors and injector correction timing correction and airflow correction. also with the e-manage you can have your timing either advance or retard with boost. you can also input the gm maf and have it output karmen.it also controls up to 2 aditional injectors which you can substitute either propane or nitrous or both.......... it does pretty much everything the AEM does. people are finding out more hidden features everyday. check 3si every now and then there is a new e-manage thread poping up every couple of days or so..

Craig

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yes you can run 3000cc injectors if you want. not that that will ever happen. but it is possible.

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I didn't know it could do that. Then I wouldn't need the maft, I just need to what the all the pins on the ls-6 maf do and let the e-manage do the convertion.

I think I'm got to have to start reading the emanage emails again.

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most ppl don't know this but it is posible to do the same thing with the s-afc aswell

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Sort of...

You talking about the MAP sensor mod?