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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:17 am |
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G-ELL wrote: I'm working for free because supposedly there's no $$ to pay me. (Yes Curt, you can say it) The guy sits around and does nothing and expects me to work 6 to 7 days a week. Add the $hit talking behind my back to the pile, and it doesn't seem worth my time. I really wonder if he's doing this just to get rid of me.
I honestly don't know if there will be enough work in the WI area for us to stay specialized in just the 3/S and still afford the bills. Bills to maintain GZP are around 3K a month. Lately, I've been working on a lot of DSMs (even 3rd gens) and the occasional EVO (as much as I HATE them) to keep up.
The real question is, are there enough "big spenders" who'd be willing to toss 2K our way in labor to do major projects and can we get them done in a reasonable amount of time (say 2 weeks)? Would we just fix cars that come in, or could we afford buying cars, cleaning/fixing them up and selling them? I know I'm just a specator in in all this, but I do feel a small need to comment. I've looked into something like this, and could not justify it on just 3/s'. I think you would have to branch out into DSM,3/S,Evo,Mitsu, or all import speed type stuff to make a go of it. Location has to be just right, and like you said, pretty reasonable rent/utilities. Anywho... Greg, I thought you loved Evos? I thought they were the zero milage DSM that you could never get before? something change?
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440 4x4
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:39 pm |
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Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:56 am Posts: 637 Location: Milwaukee
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EVO's are a PITA - major - to change a clutch on. That's all I've done on them, and shudder every time I do one. The whole throw out bearing assembly is the most ridiculous thing ever.
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440 4x4
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:12 pm |
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Joined: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:56 am Posts: 637 Location: Milwaukee
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gabeM
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:02 pm |
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Back on topic.............  Ill probably be picking up an engine in the next few days. I came across this on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6G72-3-0 ... dZViewItemThat seems to be a pretty good price for a remanufactured engine. It dosnt say what kind of parts they put in it, and Im not farmiliar with the different brands and their quality/ exc. for cars....Only bikes. So do you guys think I would be better off with that, or a JDM motor? And if i go with the JDM, is there any thing I should do to it while I have it out? I figured prolly just the 50k stuff. edit: never mind....I just noticed thats the sohc version
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bret.holbrook
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:03 am |
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Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:41 am Posts: 338 Location: Greenville, MI
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Gabe, I'm here in WI right now, I'll catch greg and Adam while they are here (preferrably sober), also, Jeff got any thoughts on that? Gabe could use some lovin' on a new engine and we will have a new convert. All you stealths are belong to us. . .
Hope most of you are here tomorrow (today) at the gathering and thanks for the input.
Bret
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bret.holbrook
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:22 am |
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Gabe, I sobered up and actually read the auction. That engine is a SOHC, you probably want to stick with what you have now which is a DOHC. Also, Chad informs me that the heads, water pump, timing belt, tensioner, pulleys are all new so try to just get a short-block if you can and save yourself some money moving the existing heads and such over. Bret gabeM wrote: Back on topic.............  Ill probably be picking up an engine in the next few days. I came across this on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/6G72-3-0 ... dZViewItemThat seems to be a pretty good price for a remanufactured engine. It dosnt say what kind of parts they put in it, and Im not farmiliar with the different brands and their quality/ exc. for cars....Only bikes. So do you guys think I would be better off with that, or a JDM motor? And if i go with the JDM, is there any thing I should do to it while I have it out? I figured prolly just the 50k stuff. edit: never mind....I just noticed thats the sohc version
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gabeM
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:04 pm |
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aparently you didnt notice that after I posted I edited my post saying that I just noticed it was the single cam version. I had a thought, that if the engines were identicle other than the heads, i could put my heads on that one but finding a shortblock would defintaly be cheaper. Ive been looking around and havnt found any yet...
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440 4x4
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:11 pm |
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There's a used first gen DOHC block - complete - in my garage. You'd want to redo it, but that would be another alternative for you. Then swap over all your other parts.
Just a thought.
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gabeM
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:15 pm |
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Could somone please clarify....The first gen blocks came on the 91-92 years, and the 2nd gen blocks came on the 93+ modles? So then the only difference is the 2 vs. four bolt crank and a couple of wireing differences on the 2nd gen, correct ? Oh, and is there a difference in the SOHC block and the DOHC, other than the heads? Thanks....How much would you want for that block?
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G-ELL
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:46 am |
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Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am Posts: 3153 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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If you use the heads & brackets off your motor, you won't need to modify anything.
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gabeM
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:48 pm |
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Well scratch that idea... I pulled the heads off today and the back center cylinder grenaded. The head and valves are pitted/mangled up pretty bad. Ill prolly end up getting a JDM engine. Thanks for the help.
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gabeM
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:09 pm |
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So, My JDM engine came in last week sometime. I just got a chance to work on it last night/today. I droped it in, bolted up the motor mounts, and started hooking up wires/ hoses and pulling out the stuff I had double of, untill I got to the throtle body. The one that was on the old engine is pretty plane jane looking...throtle cable hooks right up to the butterfly valve, one set of wires plugs into it. The one that came with the JDM engine is a little different. It has two places for wires to plug in, the throtle cable hooks into what looks like a big vacume pump. There is quite a few more fuel lines comming off from this one too, one going to each of the three inlet dealies on top of the throtle body. I took a look at brets, his sl looks the same as my old one. His vr4 is closer, but the vacume pump on his is quite a bit smaller and positioned different. Oh, and there is three sets of wires that plug in just to the right of the throtle body if you are looking at it from the pasengers side, I believe they go to the injectors but i cant remember....The one closest to the throtle body dosnt fit. Oh, and the intake plentum says TCL. I did a quick search on it and the common awnser is they come on the Diamante..........
Sorry for the book.....so what do I have here?
edit: I forgot to mention it was suposto be a 1st gen. 3000gt...
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G-ELL
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:20 pm |
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Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am Posts: 3153 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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Just use your old throttle body and intake plenium. They will bolt up.
The "big vac pump" is just the dash pot. This is for turbo cars when letting off the throttle while under boost. It helps the throttle plate close slower so the boost pressure doesn't force it shut.
The extra nipples are for the purge control system and FPR which you don't need to worry about with your car.
There are 2 sensors on the throttle body. One is the TPS, the other is ISC or IAC. Your throttle body should have those.
There aren't feul lines comming in/out of it, those are coolant lines. Your TB should have these as well. The coolant is for the Fast Idle Air Valve inside the throttle body. All the FIAV does is allow more air around the throttle plate when the motor is cool which gives you your higher idel.
Once again, just use your old throttle body and intake plenium.
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gabeM
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:11 pm |
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Well that makes alot more sense, I was wondering why fuel lines would be going into the throtle body. 
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gabeM
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:39 pm |
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Well the new timeing belt/ watter pump and pullies are on. Only problem is that the stering pump belt seems to be to short. The belt that was on the JDM engine apears to be the same length as the belt from the old engine. Would there be a difference in the sterring pump, or possibly the steering pump bracket??
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