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ttangel
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:48 am |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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I got a wideband for my car. It was off the wideband rich. just bottomed out at 10.0 and sitting there.
I met up with Luke from beyond redline for a bit of "aem talk" before I would just hand him the keys. He seemed to know what he was talking about. We chatted about things that I did not like about the car with the AEM and what could be done about it, and the AC not working, and why the car was running so stupid fawking rich.
I have to say I was a bit skeptical about the whole deal but Luke did a fantastic job.
He pulled alot of fuel out of the car, and a few degrees of timing that he thought was excessive and probably going to do the engine damage if we left it that advanced.
At the end of the day, the car no longer pukes gas into the oil like it did from the last shop, we pulled about two degrees of timing out of it, and made a bit more power and torque for doing nothing more than playing around a bit with the computer.
I will not be afraid to bring the car back to luke for future tuning.
It still takes a long time to start the car with AEM, but that is pretty standard because of the way AEM reads the crank and cam position sensors versus the mitsu ECU.
Cold starts take a touch longer, and still go just a touch lean as I apply load to get the car moving, but that was my fault, as Luke wanted to keep the car overnight, and I wanted to have it back for the weekend. It will probably end up back there one of these nights so that he can touch that up and be done with it.
Now I'm onto touch up stuff, and cosmetic stuff... oh, and making my own intercooler. we'll see how that shapes up...
Toby
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:40 pm |
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Yeah I've heard good things about Luke from Aaron, who's working on my car over in Neenah. I guess Aaron worked with Luke for awhile back in the day. The only thing that keeps me from going to him is the fact that Josh (formerly of LSE) is within driving distance.
Also, how long is "long" for turning over the AEM? My car starts right up with the AEM, maybe a half a second longer than stock. Has a tune from IPS. That definitely should be something you can work on.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:43 pm |
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Joined: Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:04 pm Posts: 767 Location: Oshkosh
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That's cool. I have to say I've been pretty impressed by some of the cars at RSD that he has worked on lately. I was going to try to get so dyno time saturday before the gathering but didn't get a chance to call him.
As soon as you're done with your intercooler you're going to start on mine right?
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ttangel
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:12 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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jeettao wrote: Yeah I've heard good things about Luke from Aaron, who's working on my car over in Neenah. I guess Aaron worked with Luke for awhile back in the day. The only thing that keeps me from going to him is the fact that Josh (formerly of LSE) is within driving distance.
Also, how long is "long" for turning over the AEM? My car starts right up with the AEM, maybe a half a second longer than stock. Has a tune from IPS. That definitely should be something you can work on. LSE is the shop that tuned my car pig rich the first time. *Edit for missed question I did not answer. the length that I am talking about for starting the car is about half a second longer than stock on warm starts and a full second or so longer on cold starts, but that could probably be adjusted if I had left it by Luke for another morning. ver fer wrote: That's cool. I have to say I've been pretty impressed by some of the cars at RSD that he has worked on lately. I was going to try to get so dyno time saturday before the gathering but didn't get a chance to call him.
As soon as you're done with your intercooler you're going to start on mine right? I believe he quoted tom 225 an hour for straight dyno time. 500 or so for AEM tuning. and that was you don't get it back until it runs right. As soon as I am done with my intercooler I will be more than happy to work on yours. we should talk about what you want. I'm talking front mount, but we can get cores for big side mounts and make up some end tanks. what are you thinking? I need that Greddy BOV back sometime in the near future. woot.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:56 pm |
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Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am Posts: 3153 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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ttangel wrote: It still takes a long time to start the car with AEM, but that is pretty standard because of the way AEM reads the crank and cam position sensors versus the mitsu ECU. I might or might not know the fix to that and it might or might not involve swapping a different CAS (which bolts right on as stock, you just need to wire it in). You'd then be able to rid your motor of the retarded hall CAS and crank sensors.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:58 pm |
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Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 1:18 am Posts: 3153 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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Oh, and if you're gonna be upset about the LSE tune, it would only be fair to remember you didn't have the proper monitoring equipment for them to tune your car properly with.
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:45 pm |
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G-ELL wrote: Oh, and if you're gonna be upset about the LSE tune, it would only be fair to remember you didn't have the proper monitoring equipment for them to tune your car properly with. Ahh, it wasn't done on a dyno? His reputation is pretty good on 3si, but this is the second W3SI'er I've heard complain about richness. Maybe that's what he does with street tunes.
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ttangel
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:08 am |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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G-ELL wrote: Oh, and if you're gonna be upset about the LSE tune, it would only be fair to remember you didn't have the proper monitoring equipment for them to tune your car properly with. bullhockey. I told them to get a wideband and put it on when they had the car there. They told me they could tune it with their "uber-wideband" that goes in the tailpipe, and then it would run fine on the narrowbands. Seeing as they were the experts, and the car ran on narrowbands the rest of it's existance I figured it would be okay. unfortunately that was not the case. I honestly do not know why they did not try to sell me a wideband as they could make the mark up on that and also the labor to install it... but maybe that is why LSE went out of business? But I did tell them to get one, and install it. They told me it would not be necessary. Oh yeah, and cold start still sucks donkey nuggets in the morning. It hits fuel cut on the littlest bits of load applied unless you have it above 3k rpm, and then you at least get rolling and then you must pull from a different spot on the air fuel map, or go open loop for a brief bit or something...
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:01 pm |
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Fair enough... Wait, AEM has fuel cut
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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:27 am |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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G-ELL wrote: Fair enough... Wait, AEM has fuel cut AEM does infact have fuel cut. It's programable to do whatever you want. It can be set up as a fail safe for overboosting, or set up as a safety measure so that no one can steal the car unless they press the throttle to a certain amount before they start the car. Or it can just be a pain in the @$$ while trying to start the car... I'm not sure why adds problems to cold start...
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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:20 pm |
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Luke called me a bit ago to see how the car was running, and if I had any problems with the tune. He told me to stop by anytime and he would clear up that cold start issue I was having.
I am once again very impressed with Beyond Redline.
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