My 93 VR4 is at 120K and am ready to order the parts I need for the 120K service. Is there anyone who is doing a 120k service on their car soon that I could come and help and see how you do it? The other alternatives are is there anyone near that can help me or I could we do the service at your place with my help. I would pay $$ for your help to get this done. I know that owning these cars you need to learn how to work on them yourself so any help I can can get from the group is greatly it greatly appreciated. Any knowledge I get I will do my best to pass it on to others in the area with these cars.

I'm located in Iron Mountain, MI on the MI/WI border, 100 miles north of Green Bay. If there is someone in the GB/ Appleton area it is no problem to get my car down there early on a weekend to work on it.

I probably could save some time by not installing a waterpump. From the paperwork I have on the car it was replaced by a dealer at 81K.

Thanks to any help you guys can provide

Kyle

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Kyle:

We have asome great members in the GB area. Hopefully they will chime in.

DO NOT SKIMP -- Change the waterpump!

I thought Matty (MRink) just listed a good parts list when he was doing his.

SJ

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List: http://www.w3si.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1650

Not listed in that thread are spark plugs, plug wires, and belts for A/C and power steering because I bought them elsewhere. I think that's it. You'll also see in that thread, Adam suggested an additional part ... an o-ring for the rear turbo (because it always leaks).

That's all the help I can be. I'm having someone in the milwaukee area handle the labor for my 60k.

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Thanks Matty.

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Don't do this without the pump. They are only good for 60,000, which means you'll be taking it apart again at 140,000 (assuming it was done at 81,000). And, if it goes bad and leaks, it will cost you far more than a pump...

You should also consider replacing the oil pump at 120k. Don't have to, but it is recommended. Mitsu oil pumps are / were not exactly the greatest things in the world...

Beat me to it ... I remembered this laying in bed last night. Looking around on 3si, the oil pump sounds pretty much required at the 120k. Some folks even preach changing it at the 60k. I believe there are a few other complementary parts you'll need in addition to the oil pump ... gaskets and such. You could search 3si to find the exact list and part numbers.

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or get a real oil gauge, and you know if your oil pressure is in the crapper or not. THen you can change your pump if you have low pressure...

Yeh, but if I can get my vacation PAID for, then it'd be worth it.

Can oil pump failure usually be anticipated by watching oil pressure get worse on a reliable gauge? What about the stories where people are driving down the interstate and their oil pump just "goes"? An aftermarket gauge doesn't help you get to the side of the road fast enough to save your motor. I think that's where the 120k advice comes from, no?

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When I was driving back from st louis with my car, and the oil pressure needle moved, I saw it instantly, and started watching it like a hawk. If I wanted to, going down the highway, I could have "clutch in, engine off-ed" the car to the side of the road. Would the gauge have saved my car from a instant bearing failure, probably not. But it would probably take it from catastrophic failure down to just replacing the bearings, and maybe polishing the crank.

Plus, I highly doubt there are many cars out there that are running at 14 psi oil pressure at idle that just up and spin a bearing.

I'm betting its a drive around on 10w30 in 90 degree heat, in traffic, and the oil pressure is really low, but you don't know it, and after a few miles, your engine just scrapes all the coppery bearing material off, then lets go. not a 1, 2, 3, SCREW THE OWNER, YAAAAAA!

But I could be wrong... maybe I just don't have enough faith in the H and the L.

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Even the stock gauge is accurate enough to tell you there's a major problem. Then you have a trusty oil light for when the oil pressure gets below 8psi or something like that.

A lot of times, guys will see a flickering oil light at idle before an oil pump goes or a bearing spins. They just choose to ignore it until it until the problem gets worse.

The thing is though, low oil pressure can be caused from a few other things besides a bad pump... Guys replace the oil pump expecting it to fix the oil pressure issues only to find it made no difference. I've heard of someone having good luck replacing the bearings while the oil pan is off too and this helps tremendously. That's a very involved project though (transmission needs to be off in order to remove the crank).

Well I will replace the waterpump. I guess I will also need to add the oil pump as well. Might as well get it all done at once. Thanks for all your input guys. Now I need to get a parts list together so I can start ordering parts.

Where do most of you get your parts for the 60K and 120K service? Dearship with a discount? Here is one guy on 3SI that has been putting kits together for a while now and I haven't seen any complaints.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php ... ge=1&pp=10

Here is a where he lists his prices on each item. Pretty good prices from what I can see.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php ... ge=2&pp=10

Has anyone here bought from him?

Thanks again for all your help.
Kyle

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I get all my parts from Kayser Mitsubishi in Madison. I think the discount is 20% off list. Call Josh at 608-276-0206 and tell him you are with W3SI.

There are other dealerships that offer discounts as well.