http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php ... light=19Ts

They are with Rob Beck right now for the conversion to bolt up.

What would your recommendations be for fuel mods/ gauges/ to support and tune this setup?

Keeping in mind there isn't going to be much cash left over after a new engine.

Jason

NICE.

SJ

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how does that help with fuel mods?

verfer also had a conversion done by rob beck. you could wait a few weeks and see how he's doing on his set up. I think he did 13Ts though...

without timing control the biggest injectors that I would run would be 550cc.

you'll need to upgrade your fuel pump.

wideband 02 or EGT wouldn't hurt.

Do you have an aftermarket boost gauge? if you don't you'll need an accurate one.

Also, a decent boost controller.

perhaps timing control and an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator, as options...

One of these days Alice...

Oh, and what Linus said.

Best,

SJ

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yeah, 19T's are a bit larger than 13T's. I'd say if using an emanage go with 650-660 cc injectors, supra pump hotwired.

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You will need fuel pump, 650cc/680cc injectors, and some type of fuel control (Emanage,arc2,MAPecu) and safc won't have enough correction.

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I think what Jason wants to know is what does he NEED to have to run those 19T's.

So what is the bare minimum a person needs to put 19t's on their 3S? Even if that means no performance gains over stock.

you COULD* run larger than stock turbos with: stock injectors, stock fuel pump, stock fuel pressure regulator, no fuel controler.

* With stock injectors and fp you will be limited to like 8-10 psi (guess) on turbos of that size.

**No matter what you do, its always BEST to do supporting mods first.

***When upgrading turbos it is PARAMOUNT to have some sort of LOGGER.

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Let me Clarify...

What I am asking is what is the bare minimum I need to support these turbos safely. I know I can drop them in my car and keep the boost down. I was infact planning on just running waste gate 6 psi until I get the fuel mods I need and possible the engine broken in (If I go with a new short block)

I was thinking along the lines of emanage ultamate, supra pump hotwired, ~600 something cc injectors, Shiver's logger and a wideband o2 gauge/sensor.

I need the Emanage ultamate if I want timing control right?

I'll be going manual boost controller in the short term and I allready have an aftermarket boost gauge that seems pretty accurate within ~1 psi

The turbos will be going on first, just because it is so much easier to do with the engine out of the car.

I would like to do fuel mods at the same time if I can but that may not be possible because of a lack of funding until a few months later. And if I go with a new shortblock that will work out because I will be running 6psi while I break it in anyways.

Thanks,

Jason

I'll cut you a deal on my ARC Jason. You'll be an expert tuner with it in about 30 minutes. Don't listen to these guys telling you that timing control is *NEEDED*.

What you NEED is to get familiar the basics of tuning. Wiring in/configuring an EMU is something that will probably overwhelm you. On top of this, you'd need to purchase $200 worth of wireharnesses, additional sensors, and a laptop with a USB port on it. Because of this, I'd recommend the ARC to you. Much much simpler, and it works just fine.

The bare minimum you need for those turbos (which I still think are too large for you) to run WG pressure is the Rob Beck kit, new turbo oil feed/return lines, and exhaust gaskets (which you should be getting anyway for the new motor). You'll be fine at 6psi with stock injectors/fuel pump, but the car will be slower than the VRSlow.

Heh, about the turbos, sure they are big, but I got them for an absolute steal. It was one of those deals I couldn't resist. I figured If I went small, like dr500's I would just want to upgrade in the future. Why not save the time and money and doit now for cheaper

Hmm.. Greg, If I went with the 550cc/Arc2 would the 550cc injectors even be able to flow enough to get the performance out of the 19Ts?
I may be interested in your cell phone too, perhaps we can work out a package deal hehe

I know the EMU is expensive but is it really that hard to use? I allready have an extra laptop with USB to use, what extra sensors do I need to use it?

Those who use the Emanage Ultimate feel free to chime in


Jason

Jason: You don't NEED the ultimate to control timing. You could use the emanage blue, or apexi ITC. Timing control itself is not necessary, its convenient.

550cc injectors are not going to be large enough to utilize the 19T's full potential.

You can purchase the Boomslang harness for the emanage ultimate; that harness along with a laptop w/usb port are all you *need.

http://www.boomslang.us/ultimate.htm

The pressure sensor is not necessary, it allows the emanage to log boost which is helpful.

*other features can be utilized via purchasing additonal parts.

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Well finally some numbers have showed up for the 19Ts

19T's in the 13T Compressor housing @ 18 PSI



Wow.

Jason

Why don't you ask the owner of that car what supporting mods he needed to get those numbers...

what are your plans for the car?

strip weekend warrior?

pump gas 90% of the time? pump gas 50% of the time? pump gas 10% of the time?

What boost do you want to run on a regular basis?

if you want to run 17ish psi, and on pump gas 95% of the time, then 550s, a pump, and an ARC-2, and a boost controller should be just fine. maybe get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator for the times when you want to dump in race gas, boost the fuel pressure, and run the extra PSI.

If you want to run race gas 95% of the time, and run high boost all the time, then a pump, 660s, and the ARC-2, and a boost controller will be fine.

If you want to change back and forth from pump gas to race gas, run boost that matches your octane, and change at a complete whim, you'll need a pump, 660s, and any of the following:
*Emanage blue & boost controller & laptop
*Emanage blue and EO-1
*Emanage ultimate & boost controller & laptop
*ARC-2, boost controller, and apexi ITC
*MAP ECU, boost controller, and apexi ITC (Map ECU may have timing control in the future, you could probably wait, but no one knows when that option will be added.)
*Full Stand alone such as AEM & supporting fun stuff.

You don't NEED the boomslang harnesses. you only NEED the greddy wire harness, and they are about 60 dollars worth of stuff, at the minimum.

The boomslang harness makes the Emanage plug and play. very handy. not neccessary.

The emanage ultimate, if you want FULL control, will require extra harnesses, a resistor pack, and a pressure sensor. That will pretty much get you as far as you need to go.

You can also start off at level 2 on the emanage, and if you later decide to go speed density, or get timing control, you just order the harness, plug it in, and start swaping maps, and parts...

don't let anyone tell you that turbos can't go on first. I ran my DR500s at 10 psi for a while (ie: a few months.) before I got my injectors and emanage blue. It worked fine. BUT there is a larger chance that if you over boost on upgraded turbos you'll frag your engine.

I'm not selling my fuel controller, and you didn't buy my turbos. So, I've got nothing to gain by telling you one thing over another, but if you want my opinion, to use those turbos to there max, while being flexible enough to run 17 psi on pump gas during the week, you'll want emanage blue or ultimate.

my 2 cents.