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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:50 pm |
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Joined: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:25 pm Posts: 2502 Location: Green Bay
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Greg~ I told you that you were correct back then. why is this still an issue? I told you it was gonna be painful to figure this all out also. I believe that it was tune til brains out ears, or something. But it was in Aaron's destruction manual. John~ (if that is your real name!  ) no skillz for headers? this may be one place you want to splurge and have something made profesionally then. you wouldn't throw on just any turbo? Like those XS POWER turbos that have the inducer glued together. Why just rig the headers together. Think about it, your turbo is being driven by the exhaust pulses, and your exhaust pulses are going to be fighting each other down the tube to get to the turbo... It'll probably still run, but your spool and your top boost will both suffer. Plus your gonna have to fab something up to get from the turbo to the manifold! You can't duct tape that stuff! So that requires your turbo flange, and two flanges to go from you 9b ports to your extension tubes. plus bending up the SS extension tubes, and welding them to said flanges. Does that sound way easier than taking your old manifolds to a machine shop, chopping them off at the pipes, re-surfacing your block to exhaust flange, and then working up a few tubes to run to your turbo header? Oh, and either way your gonna need to support that bad ride somehow! but anyway. it's your project, and anyway you do it I wanna see it happen! So keep us updated.
_________________ Bad decisions make good stories.
Look at it! LOOK AT MY @SS AND TELL ME IT'S PRETTY!
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G-ELL
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:50 pm |
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Jhammer wrote: I was thinking about that, but what if I want to have the system setup for two "fuel maps" (not sure that is the right phrase or not) one for daily driving and one for AS* KICKING?
I was thinking that I could use the boost controller to set the boost level for the "map" I currently had loaded. ...or you pop the hood and adjust the wastegate. Having a boost controler is a good idea but not a necessity when you have an adjustable wastegate. ttangel wrote: Plus your gonna have to fab something up to get from the turbo to the manifold! You can't duct tape that stuff! ...and on top of all that where's the stock MAS going to go? You'd need some kind of speed density setup (e-manage ultimate). Something the SAFC alone can't do.
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Jhammer
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:59 pm |
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Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 11:25 am Posts: 605 Location: Waukesha. WI
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Quote: So that requires your turbo flange, and two flanges to go from you 9b ports to your extension tubes. plus bending up the SS extension tubes, and welding them to said flanges. No 9b ports here.... this is a N/A at this point. and I think it is decided that I NEED an E-manage. 
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:01 pm |
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So your gonna fab it from the NA exhaust manifold? hmmm.... my bad. I keep thinking your doing this as a TT FWD conversion to single... must stop that train of though.
where do the NA exhaust manifolds come together? how far after the flange? I believe that means that your gonna loop down and snake back up to a turbo? where is this turbo gonna be placed?
_________________ Bad decisions make good stories.
Look at it! LOOK AT MY @SS AND TELL ME IT'S PRETTY!
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Jhammer
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:05 pm |
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Quote: where do the NA exhaust manifolds come together? how far after the flange? I believe that means that your gonna loop down and snake back up to a turbo? where is this turbo gonna be placed? my thought was to remove to stock downpipe, and replace it with a new pipe to go up to the turbo. On the exhaust side of the turbo, loop it down and connect to the cat. Plan for the turbo is to sit where the stock air box is.
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:18 pm |
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well, remeber what I said about exhaust pulses? Your exhaust pulses are full of heat. It's air that's still expanding from the explosion that drove your piston down to begin with. As this "pulse" leaves your combustion chamber via the exhaust vavles it flows through your heads, and out, to your turbo. The farther this pulse has to travel the more energy will be lost. hence why Greg is so dead nuts set on a twin set up. and he's right. two smaller turbos mounted six inches away from the heads will make very good use of the heat/pulses from the exhaust. but six exhaust pulses to spool a turbo doesn't suck, and you can wrap the exhaust tube in a high heat wrap that will help hold in the temp. or coat them, but if you don't want to make headers I doubt you'll want to coat these "extendo-tubes." Plus instead of getting sick of two turbos, you only have to replace one. that's right by your airbox. not bust your nose under the car trying to get the rear one out. I know Greg, I'm a pussy. Deal. 
_________________ Bad decisions make good stories.
Look at it! LOOK AT MY @SS AND TELL ME IT'S PRETTY!
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G-ELL
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:37 pm |
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Not a pussy, just lazy...
A few more thoughts John (which I'm sure you've already though of, but should be addressed), how much do you think this little adventure is going to cost? Not just for the turbo setup, but also... How long do you expect your tired 12 year old motor to last under these conditions? How peed at me are you going to be if I kill it while we're doing a tuning run?
_________________ 06 Blue EVO 9

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Jhammer
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:43 pm |
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yeah, i was planning on wrapping them in high temp wrap. As far as the whole bost controller thing goes, i am planning on adding one so I can change between modes from inside the car. Don't forget that I have a full windows XP computer installed in my car, so I can upload maps to the e-manage with that. I know I am going to blow up something, just a matter of time, but then that will be a good reason to learn how to rebuild motors.  Greg, you will not blow it up on a run, I have faith. 
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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ttangel
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:56 pm |
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He was trying pretty hard with mine. probably didn't help that I kept egging him on, though... 
_________________ Bad decisions make good stories.
Look at it! LOOK AT MY @SS AND TELL ME IT'S PRETTY!
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Jhammer
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:08 pm |
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I want to run the system at ~8psi for normal driving around, not huge boost, but should be plenty fast to have fun with. Then while in race setup see if I can turn that up to 13 or 14, but for very short amounts of time.
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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G-ELL
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:08 pm |
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I can't afford to blow my own $hit up, so I make people pay me to blow up theirs.
The minimum boost you can run is wastegate pressure meaning if you have it adjusted for 14psi, you get no less than 14psi.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:11 pm |
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Quote: I can't afford to blow my own $hit up, so I make people pay me to blow up theirs. My payment plan was something along the lines of pizza and beer until it is tuned. lol Will the e-manage support me getting rid of my MAF alone, or will I need something else to go with it? Quote: The minimum boost you can run is wastegate pressure meaning if you have it adjusted for 14psi, you get no less than 14psi. 9lbs. spring in the wastegate.
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:18 pm |
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Jhammer wrote: My payment plan was something along the lines of pizza and beer until it is tuned. lol PIZZA! Yuck! My ex worked at pizza hut for a few years. Let's just say I haven't eaten pizza since. Taco Bell is where it's at.  Jhammer wrote: Will the e-manage support me getting rid of my MAF alone, or will I need something else to go with it? You'll need to get the latest version of the E-manage (Ultimate) with the required sensors (pressure & temp) which are extra. Then you need the injector harness, and Adam can fill in anything else I'm forgetting...
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Jhammer
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:26 pm |
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ok, taco bell it is, I would perfer that myself anyway.
and I should skip the 550cc injectors? go with the DSM injectors or what?
_________________ 1993 3000GT VR-4 (build in progress)
1994 3000GT SL
Lead, Follow, or get out of my way!
Also know as:
"dead weight", "wrong wheel drive noob"
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:36 pm |
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I think you should hook it up with the stock injectors and get any kinks worked out that come up. This way you can tune it for stock (which may not require any adjustments at all) and you can familiarize yourself with how the equipment works, and what's "normal" for your car.
I completely forgot about a wideband O2 sensor. That'll be your most important reading.
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