Ok I dont have a vr-4 but my friend does. Heres the problem, me and my friends just did a cyclone swap into his 91 eclipse, and all he has done is boost control @ 15psi. So when I was with my friend in the vr-4 we raced my friend in the eclipse. He immediatly pulled 2 cars on us, and kept pulling. Now I think that something is wrong with the vr-4 but mabey they are just that slow... you tell me. We live in madison so mabey somebody around here could help. PLEASE let me know

what has been done to the VR-4. The VR-4 should have smoked it.

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Bryan Louis
I had a 3kgt...then some douche bag wanted to run into it.

the vr-4 is stock. but it still should have owned the eclipse.... something must be really wrong.

Time to flame. J/K

It really depends on the cars state of repair and the driver.

A car in need of work with a good driver is slow, a car in good shape but the driver isn't aware of the best way to get the car moving will be slow too. Just guess what happens when the driver and car are both having an off day.

The VR-4's are not the fastest or quickest on the road but they are up there with the fastest and the quickest.

I've been able to take a Ducati off the line to the next light and I was pulling away (he was trying too because he slid into the intersection when we stopped and the thing was revving like crazy) in the past and I was also beaten by a Dodge Ram pickup with trailer (I lost a cylinder to a bad spark plug wire). My car is stock.

Are DSM's fast all the time either? No. Can a DSM take out a VR-4? It depends on the situation. Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. Will a Civic beat either car? I hope not.

Joe

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the race was from a 2nd gear roll, on the 3rd honk we went. Driver had nothing to do with it......

still the VR-4 should have beaten it. Ive read many war stories between DSMs and VR-4.....basically from what i gathered, was that pretty much stock for stock the VR-4 wins, from a stop, roll, or highway. So i think his VR-4 has a cold.

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Bryan Louis
I had a 3kgt...then some douche bag wanted to run into it.

VR-4 is not a great car for racing from a roll. The gears are tall for high speed driving.

To be spooling best in 2nd he would need to be doing 40-50 and do a 2nd to 3rd shift at full throttle as he aproached 65 MPH. Those sychros are usually the worst because they take the most abuse, so driver has everything to do with it.

If the race started around 20-30 MPH he should have been in 1st gear.
The car should start in the 3,000-4,000 range or a little higher for best results, i.e. 9b zero lag already spooled full. Not all cars have the same gear ratios so why should they have to start in the same gear?

What is a cyclone mod? That crappy metal vortex thing or a turbo upgrade?

Also curious as the what the cyclone part you are talking about?? Only thing that came to my mind is a Syclone engine from a GMC but dont think that is what you are talking about..

I pulled on a BPU 1st gen talon on 7psi(boost solonoid went out) but did have exhaust, intake, and lightweight flywheel.. I only pulled about 1 car from 60-110mph.. So without the other mods probably would have lost..

Depending on what the eclipse "cyclone mod" is, would definetly affect my answer to your guestion!!
Ryan

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You neglected to mention wether the eclipse was FWD or AWD...

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i would hope its a AWD, i raced a GS-T and pulled on it.

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Bryan Louis
I had a 3kgt...then some douche bag wanted to run into it.

The cyclone refers to the intake manifold dual runner setup that came in the JDM DSM motors. It's nothing that would make that large of a difference. In fact, a lot of DSMers perfer using the American intake manifolds because they flow more air. The cylcone is good for more low end power, but you loose that top end.

I've raced stock VR4's in my stock AWD DSMs from a 30mph roll. The VR4 took me, but not by much. Why can a car with 100 hp less keep up? I think it's because of the heavier weight, and taller gearing the 3/S has.

Betcha didn't know this, but a TT 3/S only puts something like 35 more hp (forgot the actual number) to the ground than a NT 3/S. Why? Because you loose so much HP from the motor to the ground with AWD. The same thing applys to AWD turbo DSM's -vs- FWD non-turbo DSM's.

The advantage the DSMs have is they did make FWD turbos where as we were never offered turbos without AWD. Obviously, the FWD turbo DSM's would be faster from a roll than the AWD because they don't loose as much HP to the ground. Yes, AWD has the traction from a launch, but when you are racing from a roll, that's not an issue (because you are already moving) and it's a race for who puts more power to the ground + who has less weight to pull. Gearing is a whole nother story.

Tell your buddy I'll race his eclipse.

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nicely said

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ok, the cyclone that I speak of is a a whole jdm engine. It comes out of the j-spec galant vr-4's. Not only does the engine come with a different intake manifold but it also comes with better cams and some can even come with 510cc's and a 16g. On this particular eclipse we had the american intake manifold and it even had a 13g on it. For those of you that dont know the 13g came on the auto dsm's and it is smaller then the 14b which comes on the 5 speeds. The eclipse was AWD. I cant see how the driver had much to do with it when all he had to do was punch it in second( the eclipse had 2 cars before we hit 3rd). Now that that is cleared up I would just like to say that my friend took his car to the dealership and told him that his turbos were fucked.... What should he do???td05s??

DR500's

www.dynamicracing.com

I can help him install them too. Actually, how about I take a look at his car and give him a second opinion. I don't trust ANY of the local stealerships around here.

Curious why your DSM buddy is running a 13G...

umm, the 13g came on the j-spec engine and we did feel like putting together a 14b. The little turbo suprised me though, it spools instanly. it may hurt top end a little but the better cams compensate for that.

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